Legislature(2019 - 2020)CAPITOL 17

03/05/2019 10:15 AM House ENERGY

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10:18:55 AM Start
10:21:17 AM Presentation: Power Cost Equalization
11:15:46 AM Adjourn
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Kohler, CEO, AK Village Electric Co-op
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                         March 5, 2019                                                                                          
                           10:18 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grier Hopkins, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Zack Fields, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative John Lincoln                                                                                                     
Representative Ivy Spohnholz                                                                                                    
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky                                                                                                 
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: POWER COST EQUALIZATION                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEERA KOHLER, President & CEO                                                                                                   
Alaska Village Electric Cooperative (AVEC)                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented a PowerPoint titled "Power Cost                                                                
Equalization A Primer and Look Back."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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10:18:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRIER HOPKINS called the  House Special Committee on Energy                                                             
meeting  to  order  at  10:18   a.m.    Representatives  Hopkins,                                                               
Zulkosky, Rauscher,  Lincoln, and  Spohnholz were present  at the                                                               
call to order.  Representative  Fields arrived as the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: POWER COST EQUALIZATION                                                                                        
             PRESENTATION: POWER COST EQUALIZATION                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:21:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOPKINS announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
a  presentation  by  the  Alaska  Village  Electric  Cooperative,                                                               
Incorporated on Power Cost Equalization.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:21:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEERA   KOHLER,  President   &  CEO,   Alaska  Village   Electric                                                               
Cooperative (AVEC),  directed attention to a  PowerPoint, titled,                                                               
"Power Cost Equalization A Primer  and Look Back."  She explained                                                               
that  Alaska  Village   Electric  Cooperative,  Incorporated  was                                                               
referenced  as  AVEC  and  PCE  was a  reference  to  Power  Cost                                                               
Equalization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:22:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER presented  slide 1,  titled "Looking  back to  1977,"                                                               
noting that  this was "the  year that  oil first flowed  down the                                                               
pipeline."     She   reported  that   there   was  virtually   no                                                               
transmission  system in  Alaska.   Chugach Electric  was the  big                                                               
utility  and it  owned a  transmission line  from the  Beluga gas                                                               
field   to  Anchorage,   which  provided   power  to   Anchorage.                                                               
Fairbanks relied  on local heavy  oil and coal, with  diesel fuel                                                               
as the  primary energy  source everywhere else.   There  was very                                                               
little  hydropower   in  Alaska,  although  the   Eklutna  30  MW                                                               
[megawatt]  power project  served  the  Anchorage and  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna areas  and the  Snettisham 52  MW project  served Juneau.                                                               
She  said  there were  an  additional  20  MW of  small  projects                                                               
scattered throughout the state, primarily in Southeast Alaska.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER moved  on to slide 2 titled "Oil  started flowing down                                                               
the  Pipeline."   There was  a focus  that affordable  energy was                                                               
needed  all over  the  state, so  the State  began  to spend  its                                                               
newfound wealth.   A transmission line to  Fairbanks was started,                                                               
the Susitna  1600 mega-project design  was started,   the Bradley                                                               
Lake 90  MW hydro project was  started near Homer,   and the four                                                               
dam  pool  projects  for   Ketchikan,  Wrangell,  Southeast,  and                                                               
Petersburg, as well as Kodiak  and Valdez began work with funding                                                               
from a mix of grants and bonds  from the state.  She referenced a                                                               
study commissioned  in the  early 1980s  to identify  projects to                                                               
reduce the cost of electricity throughout  Alaska.   She moved on                                                               
to  slide 3,  "The First  Power  Cost Assistance  program."   She                                                               
reminded the committee  of the oil embargo in the  late 1970s, as                                                               
oil prices  had peaked in  1979 and diesel-fueled  utilities were                                                               
hit  hard.    This  triggered the  Alaska  State  Legislature  to                                                               
establish the  Power Production Cost Assistance  (PCA) Program in                                                               
1980  as  a  one  year  stop-gap   to  bring  down  the  cost  of                                                               
electricity for  those diesel-powered communities.   In 1981, the                                                               
program  was  amended into  the  Power  Cost Assistance  Program,                                                               
which was  designed to self-extinguish  in five years.   This was                                                               
the  precursor  to the  Power  Cost  Equalization (PCE)  program,                                                               
which was implemented in 1984.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:26:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER addressed slide 4, "And  finally - PCE."  In 1984, the                                                               
consultants  admitted defeat  and  determined that  there was  no                                                               
practical silver  bullet alternative for Rural  Alaska's electric                                                               
needs.     Small  loads  and  small   communities  spread  across                                                               
thousands  of miles  could  not be  interconnected.   The  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature established Power  Cost Equalization (PCE), and                                                               
the  PCA was  rewritten as  the PCE,  effective in  October 1984.                                                               
All users  were eligible  for the first  750 kWh  [kilowatt hour]                                                               
used.  A floor  for the cost of power was to  be equalized to the                                                               
average of Anchorage,  Fairbanks and Juneau, about  8.5 cents per                                                               
kwh.  She explained that  communities with utilities using diesel                                                               
to generate  at least 75 percent  of power in calendar  year 1983                                                               
were  eligible  for PCE.    She  noted  that  the four  dam  pool                                                               
communities and  any communities  connected by the  Railbelt were                                                               
excluded, as  these communities had already  received substantial                                                               
funding to  build the  facilities.   She added  that there  was a                                                               
ceiling  for  subsidy,  any  costs  above  52.5  cents  were  not                                                               
covered.   Community facilities  received PCE  on 100  percent of                                                               
their usage  up to 70 kwh  of use per resident  of the community.                                                               
She  reported that  this would  usually pay  for a  washeteria, a                                                               
water and  sewer project,  street lighting,  or a  community city                                                               
hall, noting that  AVEC found that only about half  of this limit                                                               
was used by the communities.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:30:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER moved on to slide  5, "The Situation from 1985 - 2017"                                                               
and reported that during that time  the floor had been raised 124                                                               
percent to 19.02 cents per kWh,  the ceiling had been raised from                                                               
52.5 cents  to $1.00 per  kWh, and eligible electricity  had been                                                               
reduced one-third  to 500 kWh,  with only one eligible  meter per                                                               
resident.  She stated  that the  6,000+  commercial customers  no                                                               
longer qualified for PCE.  She  relayed that fuel cost was up 127                                                               
percent, but efficiency  was also dramatically up  by 32 percent.                                                               
Fuel cost per kWh went from  $.1033 - $.1875.  Non-fuel costs per                                                               
kWh are  up 31 percent,  from $.1407 in  1985 to $.1839  in 2017.                                                               
Current funding  ($28 million) is  at a  100 percent level.   She                                                               
explained that  for 15  years, as  there seemed  to be  an annual                                                               
battle with the  Alaska State Legislature for  funding, there had                                                               
been less than full funding.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:34:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZULKOSKY asked for examples of non-fuel costs.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER said  that she would offer some examples  later in the                                                               
PowerPoint, adding that  it was everything other  than fuel which                                                               
included power  plant and distribution  operations, and  the cost                                                               
of   borrowed  money,   as  well   as  billing,   insurance,  and                                                               
collection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:35:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER presented  slide 6, "Program Changes  since FY86," and                                                               
reported that  PCE accounted  for $17.8 million  in FY86  and PCE                                                               
disbursed  $26.1 million  in  FY17.   She  pointed  out that  the                                                               
population served had  increased from 62,000 people  to 84,000 in                                                               
those years, and that total  sales in gigawatt hours had doubled.                                                               
She reported that the eligible  sales had modestly increased from                                                               
108  to  133.   She  added  that,  in  1986,  48 percent  of  the                                                               
electricity sold  in a community  was eligible for PCE,  while in                                                               
2017, it was down to 29 percent.   She pointed out that, in 1986,                                                               
21 million gallons  of fuel were used to  generate 225 [giga]watt                                                               
hours while in  2017, 29 million gallons of fuel  to produce more                                                               
than  twice  as much  electricity,  a  statement of  success  for                                                               
efficiency.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:37:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked if the  eligible sales amount of 30                                                               
percent in 2000 and 29 percent in 2017 was by design.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.   KOHLER  reiterated   that  when   the  program   was  first                                                               
established,  all  users  received  PCE  and  the  threshold  was                                                               
higher;  whereas, today  many  users in  the  community were  not                                                               
eligible to get  PCE, such as commercial users or  usage over 500                                                               
kWh  each  month.   She  added  that  this  was by  design  which                                                               
occurred  in the  late 1990s  to bring  the cost  of the  program                                                               
within defensible parameters.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:38:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOPKINS  asked  about the  interaction  of  the  renewable                                                               
energy projects in Rural Alaska with the PCE.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER explained  that  a community  which  had received  75                                                               
percent of its electricity from diesel  in 1983 would always be a                                                               
PCE community.  She shared an  example of Cordova, that even with                                                               
two hydro projects  providing 75 percent of  its electricity, the                                                               
community  was  still on  the  PCE  program.   She  reminded  the                                                               
committee that the  PCE program covered non-fuel  costs, as well,                                                               
as a large amount of money  had been borrowed and invested in the                                                               
hydro projects.   She reported  that there were wind  projects in                                                               
13 locations,  serving 20 communities,  and that  these operating                                                               
expenses were  captured in the  non-fuel cost of the  PCE funding                                                               
formula.    She added  that  these  programs did  not  negatively                                                               
impact  the  PCE, pointing  out  that  this encouraged  renewable                                                               
investment as the focus was to drive down costs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:40:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS asked  whether  PCE could  be a  financing                                                               
source for more affordable investments over time.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER replied  that there  had  been work  with the  Alaska                                                               
Energy Authority (AEA) and others for  ways to use the program in                                                               
a  modest way  to  pay for  major investments.    She offered  an                                                               
example of  a community which did  not have the money  to pay for                                                               
the overhaul of a generator; it was  easier to let it fail so the                                                               
state would  replace it.   She  pointed out that  the cost  of an                                                               
overhaul,  properly structured,  could  be included  in the  rate                                                               
structure and PCE would help to offset the ongoing cost.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:41:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  returned attention to  slide 6 and reported  that PCE                                                               
had covered 32  percent of the total costs in  1986, and by 2017,                                                               
PCE covered 16 percent of the  total costs.  The communities were                                                               
now paying 84 percent of the total costs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:42:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  moved on to  slide 7,  "About AVEC," and  shared that                                                               
AVEC served 58 communities, with  Bethel being the largest, about                                                               
32,000 people, which was 38  percent of the beneficiaries of PCE.                                                               
However,  because  the  communities  tended  to  be  a  bit  more                                                               
expensive,  AVEC  received about  41  percent  of the  total  PCE                                                               
disbursed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:43:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  asked  about  the  services  provided  to                                                               
Yakutat.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER replied  that Yakutat had approached AVEC  as they did                                                               
not have the  expertise to operate the  municipal utility system.                                                               
She noted that  the kilowatt hour sales in some  villages were so                                                               
small  that  AVEC could  not  garner  enough revenue  from  these                                                               
villages to pay for the operation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:45:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER  shared slide  8,  "Map  of Alaska  Village  Electric                                                               
Cooperative Villages," a  snapshot to show the size  of small and                                                               
large communities.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:46:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER   directed  attention  to  slide   9,  "AVEC  Systems                                                               
Statistics," and reported that AVEC  operated 50 power plants and                                                               
13 wind  systems serving 20 villages.   She reported that  in the                                                               
last  year,  two   larger  wind  turbines  for   900kW  had  been                                                               
installed.   She  reported  that AVEC  bought  about 8.5  million                                                               
gallons of diesel fuel for the communities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:47:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS asked how many  of the wind systems were at                                                               
least partially financed by the Renewable Energy Fund.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER  replied  that  AVEC had  begun  building  five  wind                                                               
systems  in  2003, which  predated  the  fund's establishment  in                                                               
2008.     She  relayed   that  there   had  been   partial  state                                                               
participation in  about six systems  since then.  She  added that                                                               
the Denali Commission also participated in funding.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:48:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  moved on  to slide 10,  "2018 Overview,"  noting that                                                               
total  sales  were  about  118   million  kWh,  with  residential                                                               
revenues per  kWh of $0.48  and total  revenue per kWh  of $0.44.                                                               
She  noted  that  AVEC  received  41 percent  of  the  total  PCE                                                               
disbursed, about  $10.7 million,  which was  about 21  percent of                                                               
the total AVEC revenue.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:49:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER shared  slide 11,  "Qn. #1  - Does  PCE Reduce  Rural                                                               
Power Cost to  Urban Levels?"  She reported  that the residential                                                               
power  cost  for  Chugach Electric  for  Anchorage  was  $0.1991,                                                               
Golden Valley  for Fairbanks  was $0.2411,  AEL&P for  Juneau was                                                               
$0.1189, and Kodiak Electric for  Kodiak was $0.1530.  She stated                                                               
that  the costs  after PCE  for the  56 AVEC  Villages was  about                                                               
$0.2300.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:50:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS declared that  he was impressed that Kodiak                                                               
had cheaper  energy than Anchorage.   He offered his  belief that                                                               
Kodiak had decided  to go to more renewables and  had held energy                                                               
costs constant,  or in  inflation adjusted  terms, dropping.   He                                                               
asked  what opportunities  there were  around Alaska  to offer  a                                                               
similar renewable portfolio to save consumers money.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER   explained  that  Kodiak  "has   the  perfect  storm                                                               
situation for them, except that it's  a very nice storm to have."                                                               
There was a 20  MW hydro project built by the  State of Alaska in                                                               
the mid-1980s.   She added  that, as  the four dam  pool projects                                                               
were  sold back  to the  communities, Kodiak  received its  hydro                                                               
"paid for at  20 cents on the  dollar for what was  paid for that                                                               
project."   She  pointed out  that  the community  had been  very                                                               
forward thinking  and was  currently in the  process of  adding a                                                               
third turbine to  expand the capacity of the hydro  project.  She                                                               
explained that  the wind  project had been  built in  two phases,                                                               
reporting that,  although $4 million  had been received  from the                                                               
Renewable Energy  Fund, it was a  $23 million project.   They had                                                               
also used the  federal Clean Renewable Energy  bonds for funding.                                                               
She  pointed   out  that  renewable  energy   in  Kodiak  already                                                               
accounted for more than 90 percent  of use when they began use of                                                               
wind power.   She declared  that this  was a remarkable  story of                                                               
perseverance  and  leadership, with  a  willingness  to put  more                                                               
money into  renewable as  they recognized  the volatility  of the                                                               
price of diesel.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:53:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY offered  her  understanding that  Kodiak                                                               
had access  to renewable  resources, most likely  not able  to be                                                               
duplicated in other parts of Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER expressed her agreement,  acknowledging that hydro was                                                               
a  valuable  resource  and  that  finding  a  local  sustainable,                                                               
affordable substitute for hydro was difficult.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:54:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS asked  if the  renewable energy  atlas had                                                               
proven valuable for finding any small-scale renewable projects.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER reported  that  AVEC had  helped  fund that  project,                                                               
noting  that  AVEC  had  desired  a more  refined  map  than  the                                                               
existing  broad  scale  maps.    In  response  to  Representative                                                               
Fields,  she said  that  utility  of the  atlas  had been  mixed,                                                               
noting that  there were instances  where the map depicted  a more                                                               
generalized  availability  of   renewable  resources  than  local                                                               
knowledge indicated.   She added  that tapping the  resources was                                                               
often very expensive.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  asked  about  the  rapid  advancement  of                                                               
battery technology, as well as  the new fly wheel technology, for                                                               
energy storage.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER replied that storage was  "coming along at a very good                                                               
pace," and  expressed optimism that  it would play  a significant                                                               
role  in the  future, even  though  it was  currently still  very                                                               
expensive.   She  pointed out  that a  delicately balanced  item,                                                               
such as  a fly wheel, required  a rock foundation.   She reported                                                               
that the wind  turbines in her community  required pilings driven                                                               
60 feet  into the ground to  anchor them in the  permafrost.  She                                                               
referenced  a  "grid  bridging   system"  project  which  allowed                                                               
storage for  90 seconds of  capacity to bring a  diesel generator                                                               
on-line.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:58:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER  brought   attention  to  slide  12,   "Cost  of  700                                                               
Residential kwh," a  comparison of the monthly  home energy costs                                                               
in  different  communities.    She pointed  out  that  Juneau  at                                                               
$83.23,  and Kodiak  at  $107.10,  were the  winners.   The  most                                                               
expensive  were the  Middle Kuskokwim  villages at  $421.12, with                                                               
the average  in the AVEC Villages  at $219.00.  She  reminded the                                                               
committee that  only the first 500  kWh were covered by  PCE, and                                                               
that, in this example, the remaining 200 kWh were at full cost.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:59:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  turned to  slide 13, "Qn.  #2 - Who  gets PCE?"   She                                                               
noted that  the Community  Facilities received up  to 70  kWh per                                                               
resident per month, and  this included streetlights, washeterias,                                                               
water and sewer  facilities, and community buildings.   She added                                                               
that in  most villages  the public clinic  was also  eligible for                                                               
PCE as it would receive a  lump sum funding to offset some costs,                                                               
which did not include the electric bill.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:00:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER moved on to slide 14,  "Qn. #3 - Who doesn't get PCE?"                                                               
She  listed  schools,  churches,  state  or  federal  facilities,                                                               
commercial  customers, and  consumers  with seriously  delinquent                                                               
accounts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER, in  response, offered her belief  that the commercial                                                               
threshold was about 25 percent.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:01:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  addressed slide  15, "Qn.  #4 -  How does  PCE work?"                                                               
She explained  that the utility  applied to the  [RCA] Regulatory                                                               
Commission of  Alaska to participate  and submitted  its detailed                                                               
cost and operational  data. The RCA would review  these costs and                                                               
determine eligible costs and compute the  PCE by rate class.  The                                                               
utility then bills  its customers and applies a  PCE credit based                                                               
upon actual consumption (subject to  kWh limit).  The consumer is                                                               
responsible to  pay the bill after  the PCE credit.   The utility                                                               
bills the state,  the Alaska Energy Authority (AEA),  for all PCE                                                               
credited  and provides  the AEA  with  detailed billing  records.                                                               
She noted that  the utility filed an annual update  of costs with                                                               
the RCA, per the schedule established by the RCA.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:03:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER shared  slide 16,  "Qn. #5  - Doesn't  PCE discourage                                                               
Conservation &  Innovation?"   She stated that  this was  not the                                                               
case, pointing  out that only  29 percent of all  the electricity                                                               
sold in eligible communities received  PCE.  She pointed out that                                                               
the  smaller  the community,  the  more  kWh that  were  eligible                                                               
(because of minimal commercial usage),  citing as an example AVEC                                                               
villages with 48  percent of kWh sales eligible  because of lower                                                               
commercial activity,  Cordova with 28 percent  eligible, Kotzebue                                                               
with  27  percent  eligible,  and Napakiak  with  72  percent  of                                                               
electricity sales eligible.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:04:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.   KOHLER,   in  response   to   an   earlier  question   from                                                               
Representative Zulkosky,  shared slide  17, "Qn. #6  Doesn't Most                                                               
of PCE  go to "Overheads?"   She  reported that total  fuel costs                                                               
were more than $76 million and  non-fuel costs were more than $85                                                               
million, totaling almost $162 million  with $26 million disbursed                                                               
through PCE.   She stated that  this was 16 percent  of all costs                                                               
and 34 percent of fuel costs.  She  moved on to slide 18, "Qn. #7                                                               
What are Overheads?"  She  listed operating and maintaining power                                                               
plants,  operating  and  maintaining tank  farms,  operating  and                                                               
maintaining  distribution lines,  connecting customers,  billing,                                                               
collections, administration,  accounting, engineering, warehouse,                                                               
insurance,  depreciation,  cost  of  long-term  debt,  taxes  and                                                               
miscellaneous as overhead expenses.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:05:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  presented slide 19,  "AVEC's Non-fuel Costs  - 2017,"                                                               
which listed  the non-fuel costs  to include almost 21  cents per                                                               
kWh, and the fuel costs to be about 22 cents per kWh.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:06:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER directed  attention to  slide 20,  "Qn. #8  - Do  PCE                                                               
Villages have  any Plant Investment?"   She acknowledged  that in                                                               
very small communities that were  not AVEC communities, there was                                                               
not any community investment in the  plant, as it was paid by the                                                               
state; however, in most communities  with the utilities regulated                                                               
by the  state, there  was plant  investment per  customer, citing                                                               
the  AVEC  villages  to  have  more  than  $14,000  per  customer                                                               
invested, about  $2 million per village.   She added that  in the                                                               
Lower 48, the  average plant investment per  customer service was                                                               
about $2,500.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:08:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER announced  slide 21, "Qn. #9 - Isn't  PCE Abused?" and                                                               
opined that  "it is  quite the  opposite."   She noted  that many                                                               
communities did  not have sophisticated accounting  processes and                                                               
did not capture  all the costs potentially eligible  for PCE, and                                                               
reported that  she could  find a problem  with the  accounting in                                                               
villages that  still had  a cost  of more than  30 cents  per kWh                                                               
after  PCE.   She  pointed  out that  there  were very  stringent                                                               
standards established  through the RCA  and the AEA  that ensured                                                               
there was  not any abuse.   She pointed  out that AVEC  wrote off                                                               
less than .005 percent annually in bad debt.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:09:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER addressed  slide 22  "Qn. #10  - Would  PCE Money  be                                                               
better spent on Alternative Energy?"   She reminded the committee                                                               
that  wind   generation  was  six   times  the  cost   of  diesel                                                               
generation, and, as  it was intermittent, it  was still necessary                                                               
to have  the diesel  generation and fuel  storage.   She reported                                                               
that the average  village load was about 150 kW,  and the typical                                                               
cost  of a  300kW integrated  project was  more than  $4 million.                                                               
Diesel  generation and  fuel tankage  were still  needed for  the                                                               
more than  70 percent  of energy that  the wind  generation could                                                               
not provide.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:10:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KOHLER  concluded  with  slide   23  "Qn.  #11  Why  are  we                                                               
subsidizing Rural  Alaska?" and  stated:   "Because this  was the                                                               
compromise that was  reached in 1984."  She  declared that "every                                                               
dime that has  gone into PCE is  a quid pro quo.   The same holds                                                               
true of  the PCE endowment  fund."   She added that  every dollar                                                               
invested  in  the endowment  fund  was  part  of a  grand  scheme                                                               
compromise,  and  the most  recent  investment,  $400 million  in                                                               
2011, was part  of a $1.1 billion compromise in  the Alaska State                                                               
Legislature.  She declared "we can't  afford to go back to annual                                                               
battles for  PCE.   We need  folks to  understand how  vital this                                                               
program is."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:11:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZULKOSKY  asked which was the  number one priority                                                               
to help bring  down the cost drivers for utilities:   the pursuit                                                               
and  investment  of  renewable energy  in  Rural  Alaska;  energy                                                               
efficiency;  or,  addressing  the  cost  of  fuel  to  run  these                                                               
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOHLER  replied that displacement  of diesel was the  akin to                                                               
the  search for  "golden fleece."    She reported  that the  AVEC                                                               
board had  a goal  for cutting  25 percent of  diesel use  in the                                                               
communities over the  next 10 years.  She declared  that "the big                                                               
player  there  really  is  efficiency"  and  noted  that  another                                                               
kilowatt hour gained  per gallon of diesel fuel was  an 8 percent                                                               
improvement in  efficiency with the  reduction in fuel use.   She                                                               
pointed out that,  as the options were so  limited, the renewable                                                               
resources  were intermittent  even  though there  were still  the                                                               
attendant costs.   She lauded  that AVEC  had one of  the highest                                                               
displacement rates  in the nation,  in some cases  approaching 40                                                               
percent displacement  of diesel fuel for  electricity generation.                                                               
She noted  that this  did not  include heat.   She  expressed her                                                               
hope that  the new 900 kW  turbine to serve Mountain  Village and                                                               
St. Mary's  would have surplus  electricity to sell at  a nominal                                                               
rate for heat  to either the school or the  water treatment plant                                                               
to help displace  diesel fuel.  She pointed out  that the RCA did                                                               
penalize any  sales of  recovered heat or  excess wind  by taking                                                               
the  revenue  and calling  it  a  reverse expense,  resulting  in                                                               
reduction of the  PCE rate.  She declared that  PCE should not be                                                               
used  as a  tool  to  penalize communities  for  doing the  right                                                               
thing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:15:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 11:15 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2019-03-05 - Kohler AVEC PCE Presentation.pdf HENE 3/5/2019 10:15:00 AM